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General Category => General discussion => Topic started by: mvBarracuda on March 11, 2008, 08:11:34 am

Title: A new name for FIFE
Post by: mvBarracuda on March 11, 2008, 08:11:34 am
When FIFE was started over 2.5 years ago our aim was to create an improved Fallout-like RPG engine that has superior modding support and tools so it would be easier to create Fallout-like games with FIFE compared to using the original Fallout 2 engine and its map editor tool.

The focus has shifted over the time and the current mission statement reads:
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FIFE is a cross platform game creation framework.

Considering that we've moved away from our Fallout roots since over a year and also taking into account that we don't support the most important Fallout file formats anymore (ACM sounds, AAF fonts, MAP maps are currently not supported anymore; DAT1 & DAT2 archive support might vanish soon as we plan to switch to physfs): how to do feel about a new name for the project?

There are basically three options:
1. A completely new name for the project.
2. Stick to the FIFE acronym but change its meaning.
3. Stick to the FIFE acronym and don't change the meaning.

I personally prefer the second option as FIFE is already quite well known and switching to a new name would mean that we should register a new domain as well. Though I would prefer to stick to the current domain I would be willing to pay for a new domain nevertheless if the team feels that a new name / domain would be the best way to go for the project.

If we decide to stick to the FIFE acronym but to change its meaning we should do some brainstorming what other meanings would suit the direction the project is currently taking better. Two proposals were brought up recently:
1. FIFE Is (a) Flexible Engine
2. Flexible Isometric Free Engine

Any feedback concerning this topic is appreciated. While the team will make the final decision in the end I would like to encourage the community to take part in the discussion as well :-) Additional proposals for a new meaning for the FIFE acronym are strongly encouraged as well.
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: chewie on March 11, 2008, 08:16:28 am
I'd say stick to FIFE and change the meaning.

#2 - "Flexible Isometric Free Engine" sounds good to me - as it also contains the keyword "isometric" :)

Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: AKIRA_SAN on March 11, 2008, 11:11:51 am
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2. Flexible Isometric Free Engine
that will do it :)
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: Lamoot on March 11, 2008, 04:15:12 pm
While it sounds tempting to change the name, along with the planned visual theme of the project, I feel we'd lose a lot of profile that has already been created with "FIFE".

I vote for the 2nd option, to change what the meaning behind FIFE.
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: Sleek on March 12, 2008, 02:12:45 am
Hi everyone :)

Flexible and Integrated Free Engine.

Flexible Impressive Free Engine ( corny heh )

We could just go with FIFE without any meaning. Just explain it in a faq the origin of FIFE, and our decision to stick with that name ;).
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: shevegen on March 12, 2008, 04:12:07 pm
I dont have a real opinion on changing the name. I think it should not be dismissed early, but I also think it should not be made a priority.

I think the concepts of tech-demos are much more important (and better hehe)

But I am against this:

"Flexible Impressive Free Engine"

The thing is i dont like the word "impressive". Impressive is subjective to one's perception. One may find it is good, someone else may find it is bad. I do not think it should be part of the name. It reminds me of stuf like the "awesome window manager" and similar cra* ... :>
Title: Recursive Acronyms!
Post by: thepasswordis1000 on March 22, 2008, 10:24:12 pm
How about Free Isometric FIFE Engine  ;)
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: November on March 23, 2008, 06:42:45 am
I like the idea, altough Barracuda proposed one in his first post :

1. FIFE Is (a) Flexible Engine

I would prefer :

Flexible Isometric FIFE Engine
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: Sadr on March 23, 2008, 09:47:06 am
To be perfectly honest about all of this, I can't help feel like you're shooting yourself in the leg when you're trying to adjust the future main promoter of your engine to a mere domain-name. Keep in mind, that the name you end up with now, is going to be the name that people will know you by, the name that will be spread around in forums, blogs and other websites, and stick to people's memories due to it repetetively popping up, and being easy to remember. What do you really associate with the name FIFE? Personally, I find it to be a rather weak acronym, seeing as it doesn't really become an actual word on its own. OGRE (http://www.ogre3d.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19), the 3D engine is an excellent example of a good acronym. They cheated a little in order to fit 'Object-Oriented Graphics Rendering Engine' into 'OGRE', but in return, they have a very well known name, already associated with a lot of other things, probably most importantly the recently famed LotR series and games. As soon as someone tells you that Ogre is actually not just the name of a popular fantasy-creature, but also an excellent graphics engines, well then, you'll remember that everytime you hear the word from now on won't you? In addition to that, they got themselves a mighty good mascot as well! What does FIFE really give you?

Also, the word isometric keeps popping up. I didn't really know the exactly meaning of this word, so I looked it up (http://www.rhymezone.com/r/rhyme.cgi?Word=isometric&typeofrhyme=rel&org1=syl&org2=l), and the results weren't really as I expected, seeing as this is a 2D engine only, correct?

What is simply quite special about your engine, is that it is meant for 2D games, and does this exceedingly well compared to the other weak alternatives out there. You should play on this, making it clear that you're not here to fight the 3D giants, but to offer an alternative to the poorly developed 2D engines out there. Flexible has a positive ring to it, yet it can be found in the description of pretty much any application these days, making it almost a basic feature rather than a bonus.

I think you would be better off playing with words like '2D', 'Birdview', and 'top-down', maybe some predator birds, like Hawk, Eagle and Falkon. I'll start bainstorming some proper names now...

In case you're still wondering: I'm pro name&domain-change.
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: Sadr on March 23, 2008, 10:15:26 am
Name Brainstorming

Raptor2D (https://myaccount.active24.com/MyAccount/Public/Shop/checkdomain2.aspx?la=uk&searchDomain=raptor2d) - Raptor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raptor) - Bird of prey, also known as a raptor, a type of bird often characterized by a hooked beak, sharp talons, and keen eyesight.

HawkEngine (https://myaccount.active24.com/MyAccount/Public/Shop/checkdomain2.aspx?la=uk&searchDomain=hawkengine)
Hawk2D (https://myaccount.active24.com/MyAccount/Public/Shop/checkdomain2.aspx?la=uk&searchDomain=hawk2d)
HawkEye2D (https://myaccount.active24.com/MyAccount/Public/Shop/checkdomain2.aspx?la=uk&searchDomain=hawkeye2d)

BirdEye (https://myaccount.active24.com/MyAccount/Public/Shop/checkdomain2.aspx?la=uk&searchDomain=birdeye)

I really like the idea of using some form of predator birds for a name, seeing as their characteristics nicely reflect the features of this engine: Fast, adaptable (flexible), bird-view, top of the food chain etc.

WIP
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: trapdoor on March 25, 2008, 11:22:10 am
Sadr,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isometric_projection

The engine most definitely has an Isometric view.

--
trapdoor
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: Joshdan on March 30, 2008, 12:15:57 am
Also, FIFE is a word on it's own -- it's both a piccolo-like woodwind and a region of Scotland.  Even if it's not the snazziest name, it is recognizable, has already been advertised a lot, and only needs to get the attention of developers, who we can assume will actually take the time to learn more than our name.
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: qubodup on April 28, 2008, 02:12:46 am
I like the idea, altough Barracuda proposed one in his first post :

1. FIFE Is (a) Flexible Engine

I would prefer :

Flexible Isometric FIFE Engine

Hmm...

FIFE is Isometric, Flexible and Extendable (is it?)
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: mvBarracuda on April 29, 2008, 12:30:11 pm
That sounds like a good idea qubodup :-) we can hopefully bring this topic back on the agenda as soon as the license issues are cleared up.
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: Xamusel_Uzumaki on April 30, 2008, 08:27:08 pm
Also, FIFE is a word on it's own -- it's both a piccolo-like woodwind and a region of Scotland.  Even if it's not the snazziest name, it is recognizable, has already been advertised a lot, and only needs to get the attention of developers, who we can assume will actually take the time to learn more than our name.

I agree with that.  Also, in my home (real world), there's a Fife, WA, in the area in between Seattle and Tacoma.
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: MuteX on June 08, 2008, 06:25:18 am
FIFE is Isometric, Flexible and Extendable (is it?)

I'm completely with qubodup. Even if "flexible" inherits "extendable" and vice-versa, it sounds reasonable. ;) Good idea!
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: GrizzLy on June 21, 2008, 09:01:10 pm
I am not part of team, but just a suggsestion..
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Friendly Isometric Flexible EngineI cant remember any other than these 4 words which would better describe what FIFE is. Even if would take words starting with other letter as well. :)
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: phoku on June 22, 2008, 10:14:56 am
In fact I like this one suggestion the most :-)
Shall remind us that we write the engine for others to be used!


And - well - and it is an Engine...

This suggestion would get my vote in the book of F.I.F.E. meanings :-)

-phoku
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: mvBarracuda on June 24, 2008, 09:50:46 am
I'm fine with the "friendly" version of the acronym :-)

Would be great to hear more feedback from the other developers if they're okay with this new acronym meaning or if we should follow the approach that FIFE has multiple meanings and that there is no official one anymore.
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: vtchill on June 24, 2008, 01:00:58 pm
I am definitely in favor of changing the acronym.  I think it will be good to broaden the scope of the project and distance the project from the Fallout name.  I don't really have a strong feeling for any of the names mentioned; I thought they were all good suggestions.
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: kaelisebonrai on July 19, 2008, 06:09:21 am
I personally prefer Flexible Isometric Free Engine, myself...

It just seems to "fit." and for a while I thought this was the actual name, until I came to the forums. =P
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: freegamer on July 19, 2008, 06:09:19 pm
I'm going to shake things up a bit and buck the trend.

How about: Quest2D

It's very weak on google (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=quest2d) (no direct matches).
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: Sleek on July 20, 2008, 02:32:06 am
However, our engine isn't limited to 2D, at least in the future ;)
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: qubodup on July 20, 2008, 02:28:11 pm
I would prefer :

Flexible Isometric FIFE Engine
Right now I think that's the best so far..

But how about "FIFE Isometric Flexible Engine"? FIFE isn't bound to be a noun.
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: vtchill on July 24, 2008, 06:39:57 am
how about

Fast Insanely Flexible Engine

or

Flexible Insanely Fast Engine

 :D
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: kaelisebonrai on July 24, 2008, 11:54:34 pm
@Freegamer: also, FIFE is not limited to quest-style games, either. nor is it limited to true-2d.

(2.5d is another part of it, isometric perspective, and all.)
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: mvBarracuda on July 26, 2008, 11:19:51 am
It will be hard to find a name that suits the project very well. E.g. FIFE is not limited to isometric view but the keyword "isometric" is quite well-known so even if it might give the impression that FIFE does only support isometric view, it might be still useful to stick to that term from an advertizement point of view.

Keep the suggestions coming! I'll compile a list of all suggestions at the next weekend and open the final pool.
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: iridium_ionizer on July 29, 2008, 05:40:39 pm
I'm not a developer, but I have been paying attention to several FIFE games.

I liked several of the previous suggestions including the Friendly and the Recursive.
Also Fun Isometric Flexible Engine is another suggestion.

If you decide to change the acronym to make is more easily recognizable, then let me suggest calling it the KNIFE engine. Although some people might associate it with weapons, most people paying attention won't care. Furthermore, you keep the same basic sound and letter association. This can be important to help out people that are casually following the progress of the engine. An example to keep in mind is how American Professional Wrestling went from WWF to WWE.

KNIFE could stand for
Keenly Nostalgic Isometric Flexible Engine
Kool New Isometric Flexible Engine
Kangaroo Nabbing Isometric Flexible Engine
Kompletely Nuked Isometric Flexible Engine
 - I'm sure there is a better words to fill in the acronym
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: Mr. Chippy on August 11, 2008, 09:37:32 am
I live a few miles from the town of Fife. Nothing wrong with it, they have some good casinos and a great outdoor sports super-warehouse. Their fire department has a sense of humor (Last summer their marquee read "Fire hot. Ouch!" Since a good chunk of it is on tribal land you can get all your smokes and fireworks pretty cheap. What's not to love?

Definately keep the name a recursive acronym, they are so in style these days, like flares and long collars. You know, like "FIFE Isnta Fallout Engine"
Title: Re: A new name for FIFE
Post by: nova on August 12, 2008, 06:38:27 pm
if FIFE name is kept, then perhaps it would be considered to alter it somewhat.

maybe:
FIFEX :  while this may 'sound' better to most of us, I'm not sure what the X would stand for. (or it could stand for nothing)