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General Category => General discussion => Topic started by: qubodup on February 29, 2008, 05:19:20 am

Title: New fifengine.de website
Post by: qubodup on February 29, 2008, 05:19:20 am
Hey, Barracuda said he'd like the wiki to replace the current home of the engine's site.

I said that IMHO the standard mediawiki style is pretty scary and offered making it more "this is a normal page" style.

I got my hands on the nice skin used by http://wesnoth.org/ and changed it a little. Have a screen, and have the link to the current version of the skin.

http://xs224.xs.to/xs224/08095/fifewiki590.png

http://nothingdoesntsuck.googlepages.com/glamdrol.tar.bz2

Do you think a wiki has it what it takes to replace the current home page? What features do you want/need? Do you like the layout of the skin (the colors are likely to change, barra asked me to use the default mediawiki colors, but if someone likes the grey one, it can be kept as an alternative skin.)
Title: Re: About the wiki to replace fifengine.de and about the wiki's style
Post by: Sadr on February 29, 2008, 08:17:17 am
I would strongly recommend using http://www.wikidot.com/. Version 1 has already been released as open source software, and the highly more user-friendly and extendable Version 2 is in the works. Right now, I'd recommend just using the wikidot.com option instead of attempting to install it yourself, seeing as it's not meant for intermediate users just yet (just the install I mean). The .com alternative still lets you use your own domain, making it "wiki.fifengine.net", even though they are the ones hosting it.

I can talk more about this later, but I got a boat to catch now!

Edit: I am starting to doubt that Wikidot will ever become 'just another great web app' that you can simply upload to your server and install in a matter of a few clicks. It seems the creator is hellbound on making it impossible to install for Windows/Mac users unless you're willing to install some 3rd party program and follow a long list of steps that probably won't get you anywhere...
Title: Re: About the wiki to replace fifengine.de and about the wiki's style
Post by: qubodup on February 29, 2008, 09:56:30 am
Yes, please list all the features you think rule MediaWiki. I have little experience with wikis besides MediaWiki and a bit pmWiki (ugh) and would like to know if there is anything better than MW.

One thing I noticed is that only English and Polish languages are available. Also there is a strange "15-minutes lock" if you edit a page so no conflicts can happen. That reminded me of racing conditions an a neat article (http://www.defmacro.org/ramblings/concurrency.html). But I just realized that this lock is just a mere 'warning someone is editing the page' so no problem there.

So far I have not found any superior features (only looking at the edit window) except for the fact that all extensions come apparently pre-installed. But bibtext, latex, video embedding and audio embedding, all this is possible with MediaWiki extensions.

So far it seems that it makes things easier for people who don't want to learn wikisyntax.

If anyone wants to play with Wikidot, I created a page http://qubodup.wikidot.com/ and allowed anonymous editing.
Title: Re: About the wiki to replace fifengine.de and about the wiki's style
Post by: Sadr on February 29, 2008, 02:55:51 pm
I am currently looking at these three: http://www.wikimatrix.org/compare/DokuWiki+WikkaWiki+WikyBlog
Title: Re: About the wiki to replace fifengine.de and about the wiki's style
Post by: qubodup on February 29, 2008, 09:02:41 pm
I am currently looking at these three: http://www.wikimatrix.org/compare/DokuWiki+WikkaWiki+WikyBlog
wow, thix for this link
Title: Re: About the wiki to replace fifengine.de and about the wiki's style
Post by: Lamoot on March 01, 2008, 10:54:20 am
I agree with the decision of merging the wiki and the main website.

Some thoughts:

-The forum and the website/wiki should have the same / similar visual theme.

-I really like the way Wesnoth handles this. The first thing you see is still a functional and proper website that gives confidence in the project and presents it in a nice and inviting manner. If need be, the visitor can access the wiki pages. All in all the whole thing feels coherent.

-The first page should follow the manner of other OSS projects' websites including:
a short description, quick download links, news, a screenshot thumbnail leading to the gallery.

Title: Re: About the wiki to replace fifengine.de and about the wiki's style
Post by: qubodup on March 01, 2008, 05:40:07 pm
go to http://wiki.fifengine.net/Special:Preferences and then select Glamdrol and tell us what you think!
Title: Re: About the wiki to replace fifengine.de and about the wiki's style
Post by: Sadr on March 03, 2008, 05:16:02 am
It looks pretty good. Could still use some modifying of course. And, how will you tackle the obvious downside of a missing side-navigation?

Also, are you really going to use MediaWiki as the front page? I was thinking; You guys are using SMF. Maybe you could use TinyPortal (http://www.tinyportal.net/) as the front page and light CMS instead of postnuke.
Title: Re: About the wiki to replace fifengine.de and about the wiki's style
Post by: mvBarracuda on March 04, 2008, 03:35:10 pm
I finally found the time to summarize all ideas that were brought up at the forums and at the IRC channel about the new website at the wiki. Feedback appreciated:
http://wiki.fifengine.net/SandBox#New_FIFE_website

I'm in a hurry at the moment so if something is not clearly described at the wiki just ask and I'll answer as soon as possible.
Title: Re: New fifengine.de website
Post by: mvBarracuda on March 19, 2008, 09:13:32 am
We're currently planning to replace the old fifengine.net website with a new version that shares a common design amongst the majority of the website sections. The most important ideas for the new website are currently summarized at the wiki sandbox:
http://wiki.fifengine.net/SandBox#New_FIFE_website

Qubodup, a member of the freegamer forums, volunteered to help us with the design of the new website. We're planning to introduce a new mediawiki theme for the website (it's explained in more detail at the article linked above). You can take a look at the current status of the work in progress theme here:
http://wiki.fifengine.net/Main_Page?useskin=glamdrol

Unfortunately qubodup is currently quite busy with university exams so he won't have much if any time to work on the new website for the next 4-5 weeks.

How do you like the new bright colour scheme so far? Qubodup considered to use this colour scheme for the new FIFE website:
http://www.colourlovers.com/trend/websitecolors/173/2008/1/9/grantmx

All kind of feedback in this field would be appreciated. I'll open up a new thread for the new website at the forums tomorrow so we can discuss all related aspects there; please read the website proposal at the wiki! It would be great if Lamoot would have some time to help with brainstorming for the new website. Though I don't know his schedule so please let us know if you would have some time on your hands in the next days and weeks Lamoot.
Title: Re: New fifengine.de website
Post by: qubodup on April 28, 2008, 02:15:43 am
I played with mediawiki/monobook a little (for freegamedev.net, but the position-layout is the same as I imagine it for fife to be)

(http://xs226.xs.to/xs226/08181/asd514.png.xs.jpg) (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs226&d=08181&f=asd514.png)
Title: Re: New fifengine.de website
Post by: mvBarracuda on April 29, 2008, 12:45:15 pm
The position layout looks good to me :-) Unfortunately I'm quite busy ATM so I can't devote any time to the website redesign. If you need access to the FIFE server for installing a test site or something like that let me know and I can set up something as soon as I find the time.
Title: Re: New fifengine.de website
Post by: mvBarracuda on July 11, 2008, 11:13:28 am
Long time no update. Qubodup was busy but we fortunately seem to have found a web designer who would like to help us with the new website.

I've moved all website-related ideas from the Sandbox article to a new Website one. You can view it here:
http://wiki.fifengine.net/Website

We can hopefully tackle the task over the summer; I'll be rather busy but with the help of Ned (our new website guru) we have a solid chance :-)
Title: Re: New fifengine.de website
Post by: mvBarracuda on July 18, 2008, 11:41:59 am
Some website-related news. A friend of Lamoot created a bunch of different versions of a new logo for FIFE. I really like the cube approach as it underlines the isometric support of the engine. Please let us know what you think!

(http://members.fifengine.net/mvbarracuda/fife_new_logo.jpg)
Title: Re: New fifengine.de website
Post by: kaelisebonrai on July 19, 2008, 06:07:31 am
Those look incredible. They look utterly professional, and beautiful. Much win, and *very* professional.
Title: Re: New fifengine.de website
Post by: Lamoot on July 20, 2008, 06:40:50 am
For the website I would use the orange one on white background with the text to the side.
Title: Re: New fifengine.de website
Post by: qubodup on July 20, 2008, 03:00:04 pm
I like the black and white one very much. :)

I am a bit confused how a cube is related to fife though. :( Is there something about 3D plans you're having which I missed?

Best of thanks to Lamoot's friend dfinitely!
Title: Re: New fifengine.de website
Post by: mvBarracuda on July 20, 2008, 04:26:17 pm
I am a bit confused how a cube is related to fife though. :( Is there something about 3D plans you're having which I missed?
It's an isometric cube so I think it fits the project :-)
Title: Re: New fifengine.de website
Post by: chewie on July 20, 2008, 05:13:14 pm
I like the black and white one very much. :)

Me too :)

A b/w version with grey transitions like in the colored examples would be perfect (IMO) :)
Title: Re: New fifengine.de website
Post by: egore911 on July 25, 2008, 11:02:36 am
I am a bit confused how a cube is related to fife though. :( Is there something about 3D plans you're having which I missed?
It's an isometric cube so I think it fits the project :-)

If it actuall WAS isomertic, I'd say "Go for it". But it ain't isometric! :-(
Title: Re: New fifengine.de website
Post by: Lamoot on July 25, 2008, 03:13:15 pm
Interestingly, Sauerbraten 2 engine is 3d, but has an isometric sube as a logo :P http://sauerbraten.org/
Title: Re: New fifengine.de website
Post by: mvBarracuda on July 26, 2008, 11:27:25 am
If it actuall WAS isomertic, I'd say "Go for it". But it ain't isometric! :-(
You're right that the cube isn't drawn in isometric perspective however FIFE isn't limited to isometric view anyway and the cube gives a nice impression of the 2.5d nature of the engine. Therefore I still think it would make a great new logo for FIFE.
Title: Re: New fifengine.de website
Post by: mvBarracuda on August 12, 2008, 12:37:42 pm
A little status update concerning our website plans: we finally found a volunteer for the web designer position. The current plan is that Lamoot creates a visual template of the new website and the web designer turns this template into HTML & CSS and creates templates for the software solutions that we plan to use for the new website (mediawiki, drupal, wordpress, simple machines forums).

Lamoot is currently on vacation but he'll take a look into the design task and hopefully he can come up with something in the following weeks :-) Another little question from my side: how do you feel about a more international domain like fifengine.net or fifengine.org? .net and .org domains aren't that expensive (13 Euro per year) and I wouldn't mind paying for it. I wouldn't go for a .com domain, though it would be the same price as .net and .org but .com was meant for commercial undertakings in the beginning so that might not be well-suited for an open source project.
Title: Re: New fifengine.de website
Post by: shevegen on September 16, 2008, 11:36:40 am
I am a bit late but I must say
(a) the images really are nifty
(b) i prefer black/white myself BUT I have no strong preference. I think all are great :)